Clinton's bundler skips court, on the run again

The Hsu story is getting weirder and very interesting at the same time.

My advice to all campaigns is to make sure you run background checks on all your bundlers every 2-3 months because you never know with those guys.

Mr Hsu , one of Hillary most prolific bundler , had a court hearing scheduled yesterday and was apparently a No Show.
Norman Hsu, the fugitive fund-raiser for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and other Democrats who turned himself in to California authorities last week, failed to show up for a court appearance today, and his lawyer said Mr. Hsu’s whereabouts were unknown.
This leads me to believe Mr Hsu has something to hide and the Clintons camp have got to be worried. My guess is Hsu is probably in China right now since he was suppose to hand over his passport to the court yesterday...Well , Hsu realised he needed this passport to make a run for it so i guess it's not a far fetch guess to assume Hsu is no longer in this country.
Hsu had also been expected to surrender his passport at the hearing, but Brosnahan told the court he was unable to produce the document. Brosnahan said Hsu had said the passport could be found in his New York condo, but that a 90-minute search by a law clerk from Brosnahan's firm, Morrison & Foerster, failed to locate it.
After the hearing, Sivilla said that Hsu held a U.S. passport, but that he was not sure whether Hsu was in the country. "I would imagine he has the capability" of fleeing the United States, Sivilla said. "We don't know if he has his passport."
Here's what the LATIMES had to say about the Hsu-man no show yesterday and how bad this could turn for the Clinton Camp.
His failure to appear, echoing the events of 1992, was a shock not just to the court, but reverberated in the upper levels of Democratic politics, especially the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York. Hsu has given directly to her and raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from others whose contributions he solicited and bundled together.
While Hillary's supporters will point out Hsu donated about $5,000 to Obama in 2004 during his senate run and $2,000 to his HopePac , we need to understand that there's a big difference between a donor and a bundler who raises hundreds of thousands of dollars for a campaign. Let's keep in mind that this guy supported Hillary's presidential run and was one of her most trusted bundler...HUGE DIFFERENCE. In my opinion , it's very hard to phatom that one of your closest associate's background was unknown to everyone inside the Clinton's circles. Obama has thousands of donors so it's hard to run background checks on all of them but bundlers's backgrounds have got to be checked because , unlike regular donors , they can generate millions of dollars and you need to make sure that money is clean and legit. The biggest problem with Mr Hsu is , no one seems to know how he makes his money....
Multiple sources said he has described himself as a producer of knockoffs of high-end clothing. He reportedly bought designer suits and accessories for duplication in China and resale in the United States, though concrete evidence of his business affairs has proved difficult to find.
I just can't understand how can a serious presidential campaign hire a guy as a bundler and not even know in what type of business he works in. So far , i'm hearing there are dozens of reporters who are trying to break-open the Hsu mystery and no one is able to guess how this guy was able to generate all this money. This shows you that the Clintons would hire anyone , as long as they bring in lots of money to secure the democratic. nomination.
With offices in Los Angeles and New York, the crisis communications firm of Sitrick and Co. is a prominent player. Its slogan is: "If you don't tell your story, someone else will tell it for you." On Wednesday, however, Sitrick spokesmen refused to discuss Hsu.
I have one huge advice for the Clinton camps...They better release the names of people Hsu bundled cash from because you can no longer trust where this money is coming from. So far , the Clintons camp has refused to do so.
The Clinton campaign has said it will give $23,000 in direct donations from Hsu to charity, but keep the money he bundled. Wolfson declined to release the names of bundled donors. He said that the campaign had not been contacted by the FBI about Hsu's fundraising.
Pressure are already building up on Hillary's campaign to not only release the list of names Hsu bundled money from , but to also give away that money.
Public Citizen, a Washington watchdog group that has pushed presidential candidates to identify bundlers and the money they bring in, urged Clinton to at least disclose which donations were tied to Hsu. "She should say who they are," said Taylor Lincoln, research director for the group's Congress Watch division. "If she really wanted to be a standard-bearer, she should return all the money."
Hillary should do the right thing here..There's no excuse in keeping the money Hsu bundled on her behalf...Hsu has zero credebility. To make it worse for the Clintons , the FBI is now investigating Hsu's source of money and the Paw family who heavily donated large sums of money to the Clintons's campaign eventhough records shows the family was in no position to give such a large sum of money to any campaign.
By Dan Morain, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer September 1, 2007 REDWOOD CITY, CALIF. -- As Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu confronted an old criminal case and faced a new FBI investigation Friday, a fundamental question persisted: How did Democratic presidential front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign fail to see the red flags in Hsu's contributions?
Another problem was the pattern of donations made by Hsu and his friends, particularly those from a family that lives in a modest home in Daly City, a working-class town south of San Francisco. Members of the family have given more than $200,000 to politicians in recent years, often on or about the same days that Hsu gave money. Federal law prohibits donors from reimbursing others who give at their behest.
Do you still think she can afford to keep that money? Here's why Hsu will always be a bigger problem for the Clintons then anyone else.
Hsu has generated hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations for Clinton's presidential campaign. Hsu earned the title of "HillRaiser" for pledging to raise more than $100,000 for Clinton's presidential campaign.
My final conclusion is , if Hsu's money is coming from the Republic of China , the Clinton campaign will have a lot of questions to answer...The Clinton already had a Chinese money scandal during Bill Clinton's presidency , so this will only re-enforce the theory that the Clintons are soliciting foreign money. I'm also hearing there are a lot of GOP opertives and democratic opponents of the Clintons who are heavily working hard to break the Hsu mystery...They are all hoping the money-trail will lead them to China.
Poll
Where's Hsu
Still in the U.S
China

Votes: 5
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He "pledged" to raise money. (2.00 / 1)

From what I have read the money wasn't raised.  This guy is a big Democratic fundraiser, NOT simply "Clinton's bundler".  I appreciate you are enjoying this.  But there are few Democrats who have not recieved money from this guy.


by bookgrl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:10:08 AM EST

Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (none / 0)

A bunch of D's have recieved less than $10,000 - and most have returned it.

The differince with Clinton is that he is a HillRaiser or one of her top-20 donors...there is a large leap from 2,400 to 1,000,000 - and that is why Clinton is attached to this story, and rightly so.


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by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:12:09 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (2.00 / 3)

She didn't recieve 1 million, not even close.  Whatever, drudge.


by bookgrl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:17:26 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (none / 0)

that was the LA Times number, and what HillRaisers are suppose to raise


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by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:28:10 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (2.00 / 1)

But you are spewing inaccurate information CardBoard. Please be honest for a change.


by lonnette33 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:29:30 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (none / 0)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/29/ 1174/24972

I'm not spreading lies - he is a HillRaiser.  Do you deny that?  Do you deny that he is one of Clinton's top fundraisers?  Why do you have a problem with a regive?  Do you not want to remove the illusion of wrong-doing from Clinton's name?

I do not see how what I'm calling for is wrong, or unture, or an absurd step for the campaign to take.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:43:18 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (1.00 / 0)

this is a typical swarm.


by bruh21 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:57:37 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (none / 0)

So?????  He didn't raise it.  It hardly matters.  And, he was probably raising money from the chinese american community, which is alright with you, right?  Chinese americans have a right to donate, correct?  


by bookgrl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:31:52 AM EST
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the reason Hsu (none / 0)

was discovered was because of the Paw family.

don't know if anyone is investigating but how many chinese families are tied to Hsu???


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:34:52 AM EST
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Re: the reason Hsu (none / 0)

Ah, the Paw family donates to Obama, too.  This is a typical drudge piece.


by bookgrl on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:36:01 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (1.00 / 0)

Provide the link the article so that they can stop arguing with you.


by bruh21 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:37:10 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (2.00 / 2)

Since I can read, I can tell you that the LA Times said Hsu raised over $1 million for Democrats overall, not over $1 million for Hillary.

This sort of issue is fair game, but when we don't try hard to stay fact-based and figure out what is really improper and what is just smoke, we do the Republicans' work for them.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:20:35 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (none / 0)

Whatever, drudge.

LOL!
by DoIT on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:30:08 AM EST
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Re: He "pledged" to raise money. (none / 0)

remember OBAMA RECIEVED 7,000 BUCKS FROM HIM TOO WICH U FAILED TO MENTION.


African-american for Hillary 2008
by terrondt on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 02:02:59 PM EST
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Hillary ought to not (none / 0)

only return all the money bundled by Mr. Hsu and give the donors a chance to re-donate (If they can), but she should also reveal all her bundlers totals of amount raise and who it was raised from.  Her Campaign continues to have no concern for ethics reform.  If her campaign doesn't seem to care about one of the largests issues facing our nation - How are we to believe that a President Clinton would care?


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by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:10:27 AM EST

Re: Hillary ought to not (none / 0)

the money bundled by hsu isnt HIS money. she gave the money to charity.

The diarist makes it out to seem like he is solely Clinton's bundler and fundraiser, but he's done lots of fundraising for the DNC DSCC and DCCC among other Senators and other democrats.

His faults are solely his, and should not be attributed to anyone else for smearing


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:14:42 AM EST
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Re: Hillary ought to not (none / 0)

there are questions over where that money came from...it may be his money.  I do not see why it would hurt to let the regive the money seperate from passing through Hsu's hands.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:16:58 AM EST
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Re: Hillary ought to not (none / 0)

can you prove its his money?
Dont be ridiculous
vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:49:34 AM EST
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Re: Hillary ought to not (none / 0)

nonsense CB, that is nothing unethical about bundling.  


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 08:29:08 AM EST
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Hsu (1.66 / 3)

You fail to mention:


Since word of Mr. Hsu's fugitive status became known, Democratic candidates have been rushing to rid themselves of Mr. Hsu's money -- among them Senator Barack Obama of Illinois; Gov. Eliot Spitzer of New York; Al Franken, the comedian and political commentator who is a Minnesota senatorial candidate; and Representatives Michael M. Honda and Doris Matsui of California.

Since the 2004 election cycle, Mr. Hsu personally contributed $600,000 to Democrats around the country and raised hundreds of thousands more, frequently holding fund-raising parties and getting his picture taken with prominent politicians.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:13:16 AM EST

Re: Hsu (1.00 / 0)

again he gave the max to several campaigns who have returned it.  He not only gave the max, but he bundled for Clinton - that is why this is primarily her story.  He raised 600,000 for every one else in the party and 1,000,000 plus for Clinton.

She needs to return his bundled dollars and give the "donors" a chance to redonate.  But she won't.


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:15:42 AM EST
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Re: Hsu (1.66 / 3)

So its okay to take some money from Hsu? It's pretty sad when you try to spin very minor things like this as an attack on Clinton exclusively.

Obama and Edwards are good candidates, they don't need you throwing desperate hail mary's to promote their candidacies. It just makes them seem desperate. Not to mention that this kind of spin is very "DC establishment" which is ironic considering thats the environment your candidates wish to change.


by world dictator on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:24:11 AM EST
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Re: Hsu (none / 0)

They returned the money...If you remember last week I attacked Obama for not getting on this.  It does not damage for Hillary to let the donors regive the money and removes the allusion of wrong doing


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:29:39 AM EST
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Re: Hsu (2.00 / 3)

Clinton returned money given directly by Hsu. There's no reason to believe that the money was given illegally minus partisian sneak suspicions. The bundlers might not want their identity known because they're prominent democrats who haven't taken an offical stance in the race yet. Or for other reasons. She doesn't have a duty to jump through hoopes to appease people who aren't going to vote for her anyways. Because thats the only type of person making this distinction


by world dictator on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:41:06 AM EST
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Re: Hsu (none / 0)

Where did you learn to spin like that?


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:56:32 AM EST
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Re: Hsu (none / 0)

where's the spin?


by world dictator on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 07:34:33 PM EST
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Re: Hsu (none / 0)

Bruh

Explain your negative rating


by world dictator on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 01:23:07 AM EST
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Re: Hsu (none / 0)

this is just not true.  Stop spreading lies. She has returned the money and there is no hidden money in bundling.  You either do not understand the process or you are making shit up.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 08:31:59 AM EST
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You also fail to mention (1.80 / 5)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09052007/new s/nationalnews/obamas_mob_tie_idekick.ht m

5, 2007 -- WASHINGTON - A man who has long been dogged by charges that the bank his family owns helped finance a Chicago crime figure will host a Windy City fund-raiser tonight for Sen. Barack Obama.

Alexi Giannoulias, who became Illinois state treasurer last year after Obama vouched for him, has pledged to raise $100,000 for the senator's Oval Office bid.

Before he promised to raise funds for Obama, Giannoulias bankrolled Michael "Jaws" Giorango, a Chicagoan twice convicted of bookmaking and promoting prostitution.

Giannoulias is so tainted by reputed mob links that several top Illinois Dems, including the state's speaker of the House and party chairman, refused to endorse him even after he won the Democratic nomination with Obama's help.

Giannoulias was the bank's vice president and chief loan officer for most of the more than $15 million in loans.

He was not charged with breaking any laws. The Obama campaign disputed any suggestion that Obama is tarnished by the association.

"Barack Obama has a long record of fighting for ethics reform from his days as a state senator," a campaign rep said.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:13:57 AM EST

Re: You also fail to mention (none / 0)

Cardboard

You are out of line for giving this post a troll rating. Areyouready simply quotes an article. Control yourself


by world dictator on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:28:18 AM EST
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Re: You also fail to mention (none / 0)

Nobody likes their diary flooded with polls that have nothing to do with the diary


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by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:31:35 AM EST
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Re: You also fail to mention (2.00 / 0)

it's not a poll. An obama supporter is attempting to bash Clinton for accepting money from shady figures and the article points out Obama is doing the same thing. Very relevant.


by world dictator on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:37:25 AM EST
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Edwards (1.33 / 3)

Edwards is even worse, he refused to turn in the illegal donations...

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/ 09/05/tainted-2004-edwards-donor

Geoffrey Fieger, the colorful trial lawyer who is best known for defending assisted suicide advocate Jack Kevorkian, has not given any money to John Edwards' current presidential bid - and that may be just fine with the Edwards campaign.
Four years ago, Mr. Fieger was widely quoted saying he was a strong admirer of Mr. Edwards's courtroom skills and had backed those statements with generous campaign donations. But, according to the Justice Department, Mr. Fieger may have taken his admiration for Mr. Edwards a bit too far.
Last week, Mr. Fieger was indicted in Detroit for allegedly making $127,000 in illegal campaign donations to Mr. Edwards's 2004 presidential bid. The indictment accuses Mr. Fieger of funneling campaign donations to the Edwards campaign through a series of "straw donors" - mainly employees of Mr. Fieger's Michigan law firm and their spouses - in order to circumvent campaign finance limitations and pour more money into the campaign than was allowed by law.
Today, the Edwards campaign is taking pains to distance itself from Mr. Fieger's actions and has pointed out that the federal indictment states that Mr. Edwards was deceived by Mr. Fieger's actions, which, according to the indictment, caused the Edwards campaign to unwittingly make false statements in campaign finance reports.

"The 2004 Edwards for President campaign held itself to the highest standards and made every effort to fully comply with legal requirements for campaign finance, as does the current campaign,'' Colleen Murray, an Edwards campaign spokeswoman, said today.

Nonetheless, the Edwards campaign isn't quite ready to hand back the money. Ms. Murray said that the donations will be returned only if Mr. Fieger is ultimately found guilty.
"While we do not know if these charges will ultimately prove true, if he is found guilty, we will return this money," added Ms. Murray.

The campaign's reluctance to hand back the money stands in contrast with the actions of fellow Democrats in a far more celebrated campaign finance case that erupted last week - and which overshadowed news of the Fieger indictment, which got scant attention outside of the Detroit newspapers.
In the other case, when leading Democratic donor Norman Hsu, was found to have a 15-year old outstanding arrest warrant, Democratic candidates, particularly Senator Hillary Clinton, moved quickly to rid themselves of Mr. Hsu's cash by donating it to charity.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:14:55 AM EST

Re: Edwards (none / 0)

you are making s hit up.


by bruh21 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:09:39 AM EST
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Re: Edwards (none / 0)

Is the 2004 Edwards campaign even a going concern?  Does it have any money to "give back"?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:21:54 AM EST
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Re: Edwards (none / 0)

It was illegal donation.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:35:41 AM EST
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Re: Edwards (none / 0)

You didn't answer the question.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:36:59 AM EST
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Re: Edwards (none / 0)

yes, he is legally obligated to give that money back from his current funds which are an extension of his 2004 funds, which rolled over into this campaign.
Of course Edwards knows how long legal cases take.
DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 08:36:41 AM EST
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Re: Edwards (none / 0)

so Edwards gets to keep the dirty money, very convenient.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 08:37:33 AM EST
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Obama (1.25 / 4)

Obama's favorables among dems are not good according to Rasmussen:

Clinton is viewed favorably by 81% of Democrats and unfavorably by 17%. Obama is viewed favorably by 66% of those in his party, unfavorably by 28%. Forty-four percent (44%) have a Very Favorable opinion of Clinton while 31% say the same about Obama.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:18:06 AM EST

What are you doing? (2.00 / 1)

you have posted 4 half-articles that are not related to this diary at all.

Can we start to delete "areyouready's" comments?


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by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:22:20 AM EST
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Re: What are you doing? (1.00 / 4)

This is an apparent 'hit piece' by Obama supporter. The best way to counter hit piece is to state facts. Get over it. Don't expect us Hillary supporters just sit on the sidelines when you guys launch these sorts of tirades, smear and attack.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:24:51 AM EST
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Re: What are you doing? (2.00 / 2)

your countering by posting polls - that are not related to the story.  
if you want to counter the "hit piece" then defend your candidate.
Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:26:58 AM EST
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Re: What are you doing? (1.00 / 2)

I did. I posted Obama's hypocritical activities regarding his fundrasiers. I posted poll to prove this sort of baseless attack against Clinton will not salvage his polling numbers in big swing states, among democrats.


Hillary: We will finally have a president who doesn't mind pulling over and asking for directions. Am I right, ladies?
by areyouready on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:29:22 AM EST
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Re: What are you doing? (none / 0)

so if two peo commit murder you think its a defense to say that the other guy committed murder too? interestig.


by bruh21 on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:10:47 AM EST
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Re: What are you doing? (none / 0)

Respond by dealing with the substance of the diary, not by spamming unrelated polls.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:17:23 AM EST
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Re: What are you doing? (none / 0)

no Steve, these are pissing matches.  Trying to counter this shit is a waste of time.  Posting polls seems a perfectly legit response.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 08:40:41 AM EST
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Re: What are you doing? (none / 0)

No, the best way to counter a hit piece is to point out the flaws in the assertions , bad logic, missing information, bad context,etc because that makes the diary and the poster look stupid.


by world dictator on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 01:28:33 AM EST
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Clinton's bundler skips court (none / 0)

Stupid diary. Preposterous premise. Desperation setting in?


by DoIT on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:32:33 AM EST

Re: Clinton's bundler skips (none / 0)

Pressure is building up on Hillary.


by JaeHood on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 10:59:15 AM EST

Re: Clinton's bundler skips (none / 0)

yah, here and at dkos.  I am sure here polls will rise by a few less points this month and it will be devastating.


DON'T COUNT THE VOTES, DON'T COUNT THE VOTES.... Obama and the Obamaettes... spring 2008
by TeresaINPennsylvania on Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 08:42:07 AM EST
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Re: Clinton's bundler skips court, on the run agai (1.00 / 0)

It's a perfect back drop to the lobbyist scandal.  People need to get more than an abstract idea of the kind of crooks who are paying her way.


"If [John Edwards] seems too good to be true, well, so be it; instead, you can pick a candidate who's bad enough to be plausible." - Daily Kos user Drew
by Junior Bug on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:01:19 AM EST

Re: Clinton's bundler skips court, on the run agai (none / 0)

Well he isn't a lobbyists.

But this is a good example on why the Obama/Edwards ethics bills are better than Hillary's non-real one.   We need to know who bundles, from who, and how much.


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by CardBoard on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:07:04 AM EST
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Re: List of Bundlers (none / 0)

Here's a link to each candidates bundlers.

http://www.whitehouseforsale.org/


A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy. - Teddy Roosevelt
by minvis on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 11:14:37 AM EST
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Re: Clinton's bundler skips court (none / 0)

It's no wonder the other candidates are losing with supporters like these.  They do more damage to their candidates than help them yet they can't seem to figure that out.


by reasonwarrior on Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 04:42:48 PM EST


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